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1938 Ford 5 Window All Steel Coupe Street Rod
Explanation of Build and Parts Used in 2014-2016
Body, sheet metal & glass
The body is very straight, gaps are good,
doors open and close with a solid "thunk".
There is no rust, no rust repair and
may be the case that there never was any rust.
No patch panels. No body filler.
All OEM steel and OEM glass.
No sheet parts have been replaced
this is all original.
Cowl Vent Is perfectly operational.
Windows go up and down as they should.
Rubber parts are good.
Running boards are good with no tears.
The front end of the body was removed
for the mechanical work done
under my watch.
Paint Only the right front (passenger side) fender
has been repainted.
As noted in the Inspection Report,
there was a deep scratch in the fender
that I am told was the result of a garage mishap.
I couldn't ignore it and so it was painted.
That paint is not the same quality
as the 32-year-old black lacquer
that covers the rest of the car.
There are little flaws, some starring, and
a few little cracks.
But the paint is so thick, deep, smooth
and lustrous that I did not have the courage
to touch it.
I have clayed and waxed it but nothing more.
The right front fender was removed and
sprayed by a local paint shop.
It is presentable but not up to standard.
Rubber trim molding
We replaced a few items but Mr. Skoog replaced
most of the rubber bits and probably
because the car saw no use after his untimely passing,
and was stored dry indoors, where it remained
completely dry.
Bumpers I am uncertain as to origin as
they came to me with the car.
They are correct 1938 Ford but because
the chrome was old and had a few scratches,
I sent them to Ogden Chrome for show quality
chrome plating.
Frame Mr. Skoog cleaned the frame,
sand blasted and painted it black
(not sure of the paint)
in his 1985 restoration.
It looked so good to us in 2014 that we didn't do a thing
to it other than degrease and wash it.
We saw zero structural damage nor
were there welds or structural reinforcements.
Very little modification to the frame was done
under my rebuilding.
Engine
I bought the engine on eBay ($4,000).
I have had many people look at it
I can't guarantee anything but so far
no one seems to dispute that it is exactly as advertised
a small block Chevy 283 with double camel hump heads.
Camel hump (double hump) heads were GM's
high flow heads in the 60's.
Aftermarket heads would have been better
but this engine was advertised as "restored"
not "rebuilt" and I pretty much kept it that way.
We examined the engine thoroughly and
have no reason to doubt the claim that
this was a restored engine,
meant as claimed, to go into a 1957 Chevy project.
But, when the engine's owner decided to go
a different direction, the engine builder sold it on eBay.
We took the camshaft out, lubed it,
pre-lubed everything, turned it by hand and
then by electric motor.
We put zinc additive in.
The engine is great
just what you would expect and nothing more.
The only parts not stock are:
1. distributor which has a Petronix kit in it and
special high temperature resistant wires
with ceramic boots to protect plugs

2. Edelbrock dual plane performer series intake manifold,
3. Holley 500 cfm Carburetor
4. Speedway Motors Tru-Ram cast iron exhaust manifolds.
The engine is painted Chevrolet hi-temp orange and
the Corvette valve covers and intake manifold
are powder coated Chevrolet orange.
Engine intake accessories
Holley (PN: 0-80350) four barrel carburetor,
Hildebrandt oil filter cover;
titanium exhaust wrap;
Jones SS exhaust tips;
Mr. Gasket remote oil filter kit;
Wilcap Chevy to early Ford engine
to transmission adaptor kit ($900).
Exhaust system and accessories
From the manifolds to the tips,
the entire system is new using 2.25" pipe and
Flowmaster 40 series mufflers.
Sounds wonderful.
I required them to build the system not just hang it
under the frame.
So there are many artful bends and some welds.
But it is tucked up tight and sounds wonderful.
Drive shaft
Custom built by Six States of Orem, Utah.
Fully balanced and painted.
Rear End
This was a big deal bigger than I bargained for
but once I decided on the Winters Quick change
center unit, many other changes were required.
From Pete and Jakes came the open driveline kit and
three Winters gear sets.
The whole rear end was custom built for me
by Hot Rod Works in Caldwell, Idaho,
a shop dedicated to hot rod rear ends.
I got the whole deal set up by the best in this business
for a mere $$2,699.33.
The gear sets are Winters #4504 (3.48/4.86),
Winters #4503 (3.78/4.47), and
Winters #4508 (2.94/5.75).
The car will come with the first set
(using the 3.48 ratio) installed.
Brakes
I used the Pete and Jakes complete kit
for using large Lincoln brakes.
They work perfectly and look good.
Steering Also from Pete and Jakes:
Vega pitman arm,
new Mullins Vega steering box,
steering plate, steering u-joint,
DD shaft, steering column lower bushing,
front panhard bar.
All parts were powder coated before
being installed.
Transmission
I had a '39 Ford toploader passenger car
transmission in my garage and
decided to send it to VanPelt for rebuilding
and modification.
VanPelt is the best in business of rebuilding
old Ford transmissions.
Mac replaced the gear set with
1951-52 truck gears for the open
drive type rear end.
He replaced all bearings,
thrust washers, seals, bushings,
gaskets and shifter detent
springs & balls.
He cleaned and repainted the case
and filled it with VPGO-1A gear oil.
Suspension
Most of the suspension parts are
from Pete and Jakes and include:
new front spring, front shock kit,
rear shock kit, rear Posie spring,
spring shackles, king pin set,
drag link set, I-beam axle,
tie rod kit,
28-31 rear cross member for transverse spring
with U-bolts,
flat top perches with coned washers and
nuts (chrome).
Wishbone Henry Ford's method of locating
the I-beam front axle consists of
a triangulated arrangement
comprising the wishbone and a beam axle,
with a transverse leaf spring mounted
above the axle.
The whole arrangement pivots about
the ball at the rear of the wishbone and
the center of the leaf spring,
mounted to the front crossmember.
It is crude but offers a big range of suspension travel,
especially when combined with a similar system
at the rear.
And that is what we have here
a true unsplit wishbone suspension
all powder coated and looking beautiful.
Wheels Original Ford 16" not reproductions,
powder coated,
all five of them.
Tires From Coker 600R16 Coker black
on the rear plus spare (3) and
550R16 Coker black (2) on the front.
Wheel covers
The "spyder" caps are SS reproductions.
These are reproduced by hand and
by a craftsman who pounds them out of
thick stainless steel and
then polishes them to a high luster.
Originals are sometimes available.
These are better.
Together with the beauty rings
you are looking at close to $2,000.
Interior (upholstery & carpets)
Although the interior upholstery
was in reasonably good condition
when I acquired the car,
it was 32 years old and had acquired
a few stains and odors that were simply
not commensurate with the look and
the quality I was after.
The entire interior was gutted,
cleaned and sprayed with Lizard Skin and
then covered in quarter inch Dynamat panels
everywhere we could locate them.
The custom stitching was done
in a automotive corduroy material
by Arrowhead Upholstery in Payson, Utah.
Dashboard
The dashboard is the original '38 except
for the glove box door which is from a '39 Deluxe.
The dash was removed and
powder coated gloss black to match window trim.
Gauges I tried to keep this original looking.
But the Winter Quick Change rear end
meant that a mechanical speedometer
would not work well.
The speedometer was sent to Redline Gauges
who work with Speedhut to insert a GPS
unit into an old speedometer and
make it look restored
but function as a new GPS unit.
It's expensive but it works.
Took six months of anxious waiting
but works like a charm and
is very accurate.
Chrome
All chrome work was done in show chrome
by Ogden Chrome.
They are very expensive but turn out
exceptional work.
Stainless Trim
All of the extensive polished stainless trim
is accounted for and
properly located on the car.
There is one piece that has a small dent
and needs to be re-polished.
The trim was sent to Fat Fendered Relics
(http://www.fatfenderedrelics.com/welcome.html)
that did a marvelous job restoring the
many small trim pieces for the grill
of the '38 Standard.
He even made one missing piece.
Expensive but you get what you pay for.
Cover From California Car Cover,
custom OAH cover in grey.
History of the car
We always wish we had more information.
In this case there is quite bit
still, never enough.
But here is what I have.
I don't know anything about this car before 1966.
However I have in my possession a
1966 Connecticut Title for the car in the
name of Theodore Warzecha of Portland, Connecticut.
Portland is a small, rural town 25 miles
south of Manchester.
Warsecha died in 1985 and
apparently sold the Ford to Alvin Skoog, Sr.
of Manchester, Connecticut, in 1984.
Alvin died just two years later in 1987.
I also have the Connecticut registration in the
name of Alvin A. Skoog Sr,
27 Chalmers St., Manchester, Connecticut
under the date of 7/18/84.
There is also an insurance card (7/1/84).
Mr. Skoog, who was born in 8/24/44,
would have been 40 years of age when
he acquired the 1938 Ford.
There is an appraisal of the car
ordered by Alvin Skoog and dated 7/23/84.
The appraisal was done by Bundy Motors and
valued the car at $4,000.
Despite that valuation, Mr. Skoog insured
his '38 Ford as an "Antique Vehicle"
in the amount of $9,500 which may
give a better idea of what he, and
perhaps the insurers, thought it was worth
in 1984.
At that point there is very little documentary evidence
about the car.
On the other hand there are seventeen color photos
of the restoration of the vehicle
all date stamped on the reverse side.
From the photos I can say that
the restoration was thorough.
JR Skoog, Alvin's son, said that his dad,
a telephone company lineman,
paid a professional shop to undertake the restoration.
The body came off the frame,
the engine was removed and rebuilt.
The photos are dated June 1985.
JR Skoog has told that his father undertook
most of the restoration personally
with professional assistance to rebuild
the engine and transmission and
with the final painting.
There is no evidence of rust or welding
on the body or frame.
No patch panels are evident.
In fact it isn't obvious why the restoration
was done in such a comprehensive fashion.
All I know is that it was.
Alvin Skoog, Sr. died of cancer in January 1987.
I have one photo of him in the '38
after it was "restored."
I am using that word loosely here.
Given the severe winters in that part
of the world, the photo was taken in the
summer of 1986.
I estimate that the car was stored inside
but not driven for 28 years.
The first person to get it started
was the representative of a Car Inspection firm
who I hired to give the car a complete inspection.
The only preparation for the inspection
was the charging of the battery and
washing of the exterior.
Here is the Inspection Report:
Overall, this is a very clean classic car.
As stated there is a minor scratch on the
right front fender,
absolutely no filler or rust anywhere on this car.
The car is painted in lacquer,
the undercarriage is extremely clean,
detailed and solid,
engine has period correct mods and runs well.
The dual exhaust with cherry bomb mufflers
are not too loud but sound just right.
Vehicle has hydraulic brakes.
The clutch has a good feel and
the transmission shifts well.
No undercarriage oil leaks,
transmission leaks,
rear differential leaks were observed.
The interior is a suede type material
in good condition.
The headliner and door panels are good
and match up.
The gauges are operational.
Some miscellaneous stainless trim is missing
from the hood and grill area but
owner states he has the original pieces.
The tires are in good condition
with no dry rotting.
Owner states that the car has been dry
for over 30 years and I believe him.
I was unable to find the S/N or
engine plate number,
but the owner has all legal paper work for sale.
The owner is a very informative figure
on the restoration that was performed in the 1980s.
The flathead engine in the car had been hot rodded,
or, in other words, modified with period speed equipment.
I sold that engine for several reasons
but chief among them was the fact that
it appeared not to be the original engine.
Second the engine had been sitting for so long
that I was worried about gaskets
and internal corrosion.
That was a hard decision.
Mr. Skoog and those who helped were
skilled and took the time to do many things
correctly but they were not strict restorationists.
The wiring was modernized.
Hydraulic brakes were fitted,
a different flathead engine was fitted and
equipped with speed equipment.
In short it was a perfect period hot rod.
And when I obtained it,
I thought I should stay as true as possible
to that theme, a period hot rod.
But I took it a step further than did Mr. Skoog.
I put a small block 283 Chevy in it
but utilized a stock appearing transmission
that occupied its original place in the frame.
No cutting of the firewall or frame
was necessary for the conversion.
Of course not everyone will be pleased
with Mr. Skoog's decision or
with my decision not to keep this fine
old car as original as possible.
I understand and respect that debate.
Here is a summary of ownership:
Original owner not known:
1938 to 1966
Theodore Warzecha: 1966 to 1984
Alvin Skoog, Sr.: 1984 to 1987
JR Skoog: 1987 to 2014
Donald B. Holsinger: 2014 to present
RAY SCHULER BOUGHT IT AND IS
THE PRESENT OWNER NOW
Mr. Ralph Derico of KAR Restoration
in Ephraim, Utah did the work on the car
in his professional shop.
Extensive photos of the restoration/rebuild are available.
All work notes from Ralph are likewise available
and this constitutes many pages.
Because this is the 4th car
I have done with Ralph over a 20-year period,
and because I don't pressure him to maintain
a strict time schedule,
Ralph charges me $35/hour.
Other customers happily pay more
than twice that.
Labor costs 1. 36.5 hours 1277.50
2. 69.0 2415.00
3. 49.5 1732.00
4. 65.75 2301.25
5. 66.5 2327.50
6. 54.5 1907.50
Totals 341.75 $11,960.75
Approximate cost to produce this car:
Original car: $21,000
Labor: 11,960
Parts: 28,530
Total: $61,490 BUILD COST
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